Siheyuan: Originally I just wanted to be a little transparent
Chapter 398 Thinking and vision limit development
"The above are some of my views on the current generation of fighter aircraft."
"Comrades sitting here, if you have any different opinions or ideas, we can discuss it together now."
Just as Lin Shengli finished speaking, someone among the attendees stood up and said:
"Comrade Lin Shengli, since you said that this third-generation fighter was inspired by the downed reconnaissance aircraft."
"Then, I think the most advanced thing on this reconnaissance plane is its stealth technology."
"Then why not include stealth technology in the technical specifications of your so-called third-generation fighter jets?"
Lin Shengli glanced at the comrade who asked the question. Well, he looked familiar. Isn't this the same person who looked at Dean Tang from the Third Aircraft Department when he was dismantling enemy reconnaissance aircraft in those days? It seemed that he was a comrade from an aircraft manufacturer below. No wonder this question is raised.
For this question, Lin Shengli had already prepared the corresponding answer.
So Lin Shengli nodded and said: "This comrade asked a very good question."
"First of all, based on the data found on that reconnaissance aircraft, I do not classify its stealth technology into third-generation aircraft, mainly for the following two reasons."
"This is because its technology is not mature enough. According to our analytical conclusions and the enemy's own records, the stealth technology on this reconnaissance aircraft is an experimental and half-baked technology."
"Another reason is that this technology is too expensive and its cost is too high."
"To put it in layman's terms, it's not cost-effective."
"This kind of technology will definitely become one of the mainstream technical indicators of fighter aircraft in the future, but at present, this kind of stealth technology still cannot be popularized."
"The other thing is the aerodynamic structure of this reconnaissance aircraft."
"Whether we have observed it on the spot or through corresponding photos, we have all seen the weird shape of this aircraft."
"Many of our comrades here are also in the aviation field. Everyone should clearly understand that the application of this aerodynamic design will inevitably lead to a significant improvement in the combat performance and maneuverability of fighter aircraft at low altitudes. decline."
"So I feel that if no more novel breakthroughs can be made in the design of aerodynamic shapes in a short period of time, the scope of use of this stealth technology will be extremely limited."
"If nothing else, at the very least, as of now, it cannot be applied to fighter jets."
The comrade who asked the question nodded in approval after hearing Lin Shengli's explanation.
After the comrade sat down, Lin Shengli asked everyone present, "Do our other comrades have any questions?"
After Lin Shengli finished speaking, he saw an older comrade who stood up and said:
"Comrade Lin Shengli, our air combat mode has always been based on large-caliber aircraft cannons and close combat."
"Although many missiles are used in air combat in the outside world, according to the relevant information we have obtained, if missiles are used as the main weapon, their reliability is not high."
"What I want to ask is, will missiles really be the mainstream in the future air combat model?"
Lin Shengli looked at this old comrade, nodded and said:
"Many countries in the world have already installed second-generation aircraft, and a lot of information has come out that shows that missiles do have some problems in terms of reliability."
"But no matter what, technology is progressing, and one day, this problem will be solved."
"And why I say that missiles will be the mainstream of future air combat, we will explain this in detail in the next innovation of the air combat model."
This comrade was obviously not satisfied with Lin Shengli's answer.
However, since Lin Shengli said that there would be further explanations later, then he would listen to what Lin Shengli had to say next.
Lin Shengli glanced at the old comrade, thoughtfully.
It is estimated that this old comrade should be a conservative in the industry.
The older generation of aviation people have been exposed to the fighter planes from the Bear Country the most.
Moreover, most of the fighters currently installed by our rabbit are the MiG-15, the first-generation aircraft of the Mao Xiong, and the J-17 that we later built by imitating the MiG-5F of the Mao Xiong.
After being installed, Maoxiong's MiG-15 and our own J-5 have also achieved impressive results on various battlefields.
Therefore, even when foreign second-generation aircraft are flying all over the sky, many people still believe that regardless of the development and changes of the times, this is a combat mode of aircraft artillery and should still be the mainstream of air combat.
They think so mainly because our country is currently underdeveloped in aviation technology, and facing a technological blockade that is beleaguered from all sides, they have no access to the latest and most cutting-edge technology.
This made their thinking and vision limited to the period when Mao Xiong provided technical assistance.
This kind of thinking and vision, coupled with the social environment in a special period, also caused our aviation industry, especially the development of fighter aircraft, to fall into a period of confusion.
For example, we originally copied the J-19A (Dongfeng 6) made by the MiG-103. This MiG-19 is obviously a first-generation fighter, but we designed and used it as a second-generation fighter.
Moreover, due to over-reliance on copying the MiG-19, my country's actual industrial and manufacturing levels have not been fully taken into account.
This caused the J-58A that we originally successfully test-flighted in 6, but due to poor quality, the early production of the J-6A did not play any role.
It wasn't until 77 that the aircraft was finally designed and put into production in small quantities.
In fact, not only the J-6, but also our J-7, our designers, when designing, the first thing they considered was how to conduct a cannon duel in an air combat!Lin Shengli does have some headaches for these comrades because of their conservative thinking and vision. I hope his views on the reform of the air combat model below can convince the conservatives headed by this old comrade!
After the old comrade sat down, Lin Shengli looked around and saw that no one asked any more questions. Then he took a sip of water and started the next topic.
Lin Shengli said a lot before, but they were all foreshadowing the content that follows.
Lin Shengli put down his water glass, cleared his throat, and continued: "Since comrades have no other questions, let's move on to the next part, the innovation of the air combat mode."
"Everyone knows that in the first dozen years of its birth, airplanes were basically used as an entertainment tool, mainly for competitions and performances."
"When World War I broke out, airplanes entered the battlefield for the first time."
"However, the early aircraft had a relatively single function."
"It does not form an independent army, but serves as the army's eyes and ears, performing corresponding reconnaissance missions."
"What really revolutionized aircraft was the outbreak of World War II."
"It can be said that war spurred the development of fighter aircraft."
"At that time, someone installed machine guns on the aircraft so that the aircraft could engage in close combat in the air."
"Next, bombs were installed on the aircraft, which allowed the aircraft to carry out bombing missions against the enemy."
"At the same time, fighter planes specialized in ground attacks also appeared."
"Most of the fighter planes at this time were still piston propeller aircraft."
"What we are mainly talking about today is the innovation in air combat mode since the emergence of jet fighters. We will not talk more about propeller fighters."
"Everyone knows that the generation of fighters I mentioned before entered the stage of history in the late World War II."
"The concept of air combat in World War II was that whoever has a high altitude advantage can gain control of the battlefield."
"It is under the influence of this combat concept that designers continue to pursue height, speed, maneuverability, and firepower. With the breakthrough of jet engine technology, the first generation of fighter aircraft was born."
"We have already talked about the technical characteristics of first-generation fighters before, so we won't go into details here."
"As the earliest jet fighter, the avionics system, weapons and equipment of the first-generation fighter are relatively crude, with weak firepower, slow speed, poor acceleration, and low climb rate."
"At the same time, influenced by the air combat ideas in World War II, the combat method of the first-generation fighter aircraft is to use the aerial cannon mounted on the fighter aircraft to engage in close combat with the enemy and follow the attack."
"When the second-generation fighter aircraft arrives, its most notable feature is that its flight speed exceeds the speed of sound, making it a truly supersonic aircraft."
"At this time, fighter aircraft are equipped with independent avionics equipment, navigation systems and radars, and they basically have all-weather combat capabilities."
"Thanks to the development of avionics and missile technology, second-generation fighters have begun to be equipped with air-to-air missiles and can also take into account ground attacks."
"This also makes second-generation fighters generally become heavier."
"With the continuous changes in technology, there have been considerable changes in the combat methods of fighter aircraft."
"Pilots flying second-generation aircraft can use airborne radar to find and lock targets, and strike at enemies outside visual range."
"In other words, the emergence of second-generation fighters has caused great changes in the air combat model. From the previous close combat and trailing attacks, we have gradually used air-to-air missiles to attack enemies outside visual range."
"And this kind of attack method outside visual range, I think, will become the mainstream combat method in future air combat."
"This is the innovation of the air combat model."
Seeing Lin Shengli stop at this point, a comrade asked:
"Comrade Lin Shengli, we all understand what you said."
"But for now, although the so-called second-generation fighter aircraft is equipped with air-to-air missiles, according to external news, its combat effect is not good."
"In the end, many battles will still enter the stage of close combat."
Lin Shengli smiled and responded:
"Indeed, due to technical limitations, these early air-to-air missiles did have many disadvantages."
"However, technology is constantly developing, and the problems you just mentioned will also be solved."
"You might as well think about it. When the Wright brothers invented the airplane, none of them could have imagined that airplanes would be used in wars in just a dozen years."
"And who could have imagined that in just a hundred years, airplanes would be able to enter the era of supersonic flight."
"So, I firmly believe that with the continuous development of technology, missiles will become increasingly mature, and the problems we are facing now will be solved over time."
Lin Shengli's words made everyone nod.
Because it is undeniable that technological progress will always exceed people's imagination. (End of chapter)
"Comrades sitting here, if you have any different opinions or ideas, we can discuss it together now."
Just as Lin Shengli finished speaking, someone among the attendees stood up and said:
"Comrade Lin Shengli, since you said that this third-generation fighter was inspired by the downed reconnaissance aircraft."
"Then, I think the most advanced thing on this reconnaissance plane is its stealth technology."
"Then why not include stealth technology in the technical specifications of your so-called third-generation fighter jets?"
Lin Shengli glanced at the comrade who asked the question. Well, he looked familiar. Isn't this the same person who looked at Dean Tang from the Third Aircraft Department when he was dismantling enemy reconnaissance aircraft in those days? It seemed that he was a comrade from an aircraft manufacturer below. No wonder this question is raised.
For this question, Lin Shengli had already prepared the corresponding answer.
So Lin Shengli nodded and said: "This comrade asked a very good question."
"First of all, based on the data found on that reconnaissance aircraft, I do not classify its stealth technology into third-generation aircraft, mainly for the following two reasons."
"This is because its technology is not mature enough. According to our analytical conclusions and the enemy's own records, the stealth technology on this reconnaissance aircraft is an experimental and half-baked technology."
"Another reason is that this technology is too expensive and its cost is too high."
"To put it in layman's terms, it's not cost-effective."
"This kind of technology will definitely become one of the mainstream technical indicators of fighter aircraft in the future, but at present, this kind of stealth technology still cannot be popularized."
"The other thing is the aerodynamic structure of this reconnaissance aircraft."
"Whether we have observed it on the spot or through corresponding photos, we have all seen the weird shape of this aircraft."
"Many of our comrades here are also in the aviation field. Everyone should clearly understand that the application of this aerodynamic design will inevitably lead to a significant improvement in the combat performance and maneuverability of fighter aircraft at low altitudes. decline."
"So I feel that if no more novel breakthroughs can be made in the design of aerodynamic shapes in a short period of time, the scope of use of this stealth technology will be extremely limited."
"If nothing else, at the very least, as of now, it cannot be applied to fighter jets."
The comrade who asked the question nodded in approval after hearing Lin Shengli's explanation.
After the comrade sat down, Lin Shengli asked everyone present, "Do our other comrades have any questions?"
After Lin Shengli finished speaking, he saw an older comrade who stood up and said:
"Comrade Lin Shengli, our air combat mode has always been based on large-caliber aircraft cannons and close combat."
"Although many missiles are used in air combat in the outside world, according to the relevant information we have obtained, if missiles are used as the main weapon, their reliability is not high."
"What I want to ask is, will missiles really be the mainstream in the future air combat model?"
Lin Shengli looked at this old comrade, nodded and said:
"Many countries in the world have already installed second-generation aircraft, and a lot of information has come out that shows that missiles do have some problems in terms of reliability."
"But no matter what, technology is progressing, and one day, this problem will be solved."
"And why I say that missiles will be the mainstream of future air combat, we will explain this in detail in the next innovation of the air combat model."
This comrade was obviously not satisfied with Lin Shengli's answer.
However, since Lin Shengli said that there would be further explanations later, then he would listen to what Lin Shengli had to say next.
Lin Shengli glanced at the old comrade, thoughtfully.
It is estimated that this old comrade should be a conservative in the industry.
The older generation of aviation people have been exposed to the fighter planes from the Bear Country the most.
Moreover, most of the fighters currently installed by our rabbit are the MiG-15, the first-generation aircraft of the Mao Xiong, and the J-17 that we later built by imitating the MiG-5F of the Mao Xiong.
After being installed, Maoxiong's MiG-15 and our own J-5 have also achieved impressive results on various battlefields.
Therefore, even when foreign second-generation aircraft are flying all over the sky, many people still believe that regardless of the development and changes of the times, this is a combat mode of aircraft artillery and should still be the mainstream of air combat.
They think so mainly because our country is currently underdeveloped in aviation technology, and facing a technological blockade that is beleaguered from all sides, they have no access to the latest and most cutting-edge technology.
This made their thinking and vision limited to the period when Mao Xiong provided technical assistance.
This kind of thinking and vision, coupled with the social environment in a special period, also caused our aviation industry, especially the development of fighter aircraft, to fall into a period of confusion.
For example, we originally copied the J-19A (Dongfeng 6) made by the MiG-103. This MiG-19 is obviously a first-generation fighter, but we designed and used it as a second-generation fighter.
Moreover, due to over-reliance on copying the MiG-19, my country's actual industrial and manufacturing levels have not been fully taken into account.
This caused the J-58A that we originally successfully test-flighted in 6, but due to poor quality, the early production of the J-6A did not play any role.
It wasn't until 77 that the aircraft was finally designed and put into production in small quantities.
In fact, not only the J-6, but also our J-7, our designers, when designing, the first thing they considered was how to conduct a cannon duel in an air combat!Lin Shengli does have some headaches for these comrades because of their conservative thinking and vision. I hope his views on the reform of the air combat model below can convince the conservatives headed by this old comrade!
After the old comrade sat down, Lin Shengli looked around and saw that no one asked any more questions. Then he took a sip of water and started the next topic.
Lin Shengli said a lot before, but they were all foreshadowing the content that follows.
Lin Shengli put down his water glass, cleared his throat, and continued: "Since comrades have no other questions, let's move on to the next part, the innovation of the air combat mode."
"Everyone knows that in the first dozen years of its birth, airplanes were basically used as an entertainment tool, mainly for competitions and performances."
"When World War I broke out, airplanes entered the battlefield for the first time."
"However, the early aircraft had a relatively single function."
"It does not form an independent army, but serves as the army's eyes and ears, performing corresponding reconnaissance missions."
"What really revolutionized aircraft was the outbreak of World War II."
"It can be said that war spurred the development of fighter aircraft."
"At that time, someone installed machine guns on the aircraft so that the aircraft could engage in close combat in the air."
"Next, bombs were installed on the aircraft, which allowed the aircraft to carry out bombing missions against the enemy."
"At the same time, fighter planes specialized in ground attacks also appeared."
"Most of the fighter planes at this time were still piston propeller aircraft."
"What we are mainly talking about today is the innovation in air combat mode since the emergence of jet fighters. We will not talk more about propeller fighters."
"Everyone knows that the generation of fighters I mentioned before entered the stage of history in the late World War II."
"The concept of air combat in World War II was that whoever has a high altitude advantage can gain control of the battlefield."
"It is under the influence of this combat concept that designers continue to pursue height, speed, maneuverability, and firepower. With the breakthrough of jet engine technology, the first generation of fighter aircraft was born."
"We have already talked about the technical characteristics of first-generation fighters before, so we won't go into details here."
"As the earliest jet fighter, the avionics system, weapons and equipment of the first-generation fighter are relatively crude, with weak firepower, slow speed, poor acceleration, and low climb rate."
"At the same time, influenced by the air combat ideas in World War II, the combat method of the first-generation fighter aircraft is to use the aerial cannon mounted on the fighter aircraft to engage in close combat with the enemy and follow the attack."
"When the second-generation fighter aircraft arrives, its most notable feature is that its flight speed exceeds the speed of sound, making it a truly supersonic aircraft."
"At this time, fighter aircraft are equipped with independent avionics equipment, navigation systems and radars, and they basically have all-weather combat capabilities."
"Thanks to the development of avionics and missile technology, second-generation fighters have begun to be equipped with air-to-air missiles and can also take into account ground attacks."
"This also makes second-generation fighters generally become heavier."
"With the continuous changes in technology, there have been considerable changes in the combat methods of fighter aircraft."
"Pilots flying second-generation aircraft can use airborne radar to find and lock targets, and strike at enemies outside visual range."
"In other words, the emergence of second-generation fighters has caused great changes in the air combat model. From the previous close combat and trailing attacks, we have gradually used air-to-air missiles to attack enemies outside visual range."
"And this kind of attack method outside visual range, I think, will become the mainstream combat method in future air combat."
"This is the innovation of the air combat model."
Seeing Lin Shengli stop at this point, a comrade asked:
"Comrade Lin Shengli, we all understand what you said."
"But for now, although the so-called second-generation fighter aircraft is equipped with air-to-air missiles, according to external news, its combat effect is not good."
"In the end, many battles will still enter the stage of close combat."
Lin Shengli smiled and responded:
"Indeed, due to technical limitations, these early air-to-air missiles did have many disadvantages."
"However, technology is constantly developing, and the problems you just mentioned will also be solved."
"You might as well think about it. When the Wright brothers invented the airplane, none of them could have imagined that airplanes would be used in wars in just a dozen years."
"And who could have imagined that in just a hundred years, airplanes would be able to enter the era of supersonic flight."
"So, I firmly believe that with the continuous development of technology, missiles will become increasingly mature, and the problems we are facing now will be solved over time."
Lin Shengli's words made everyone nod.
Because it is undeniable that technological progress will always exceed people's imagination. (End of chapter)
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